Last Blooms of N155-2 Hulthemia

This is a new seedling from this year. Photo was taken this morning. I don’t expect anymore blooms since we will be “unloading” the greenhouse soon to make room for planting the new seeds. I am very happy with this one, especially since it came from a cross that Mr. Moore suggested. In fact, he was so interested in seeing what could come out of this cross that he gave me 2 breeding sized plants of ‘Cal Poly’. This is from the cross ‘Cal Poly’ X L83-4. It looks a lot like it’s pollen parent, except it is a miniature and the plant is way better. ‘Persian Sunset’ is in the ancestry of L83-4.



What do you think?

Jim Sproul

Gorgeous, Jim! Though I enjoy all colors of Hulthemia hybrids, I feel the most desirable are those which mimic the species, only better. Looks like you might have a winner here. How’s the foliage with mildew?

The M210-2 you sent home with me is still flowering. The blotch is purple and much darker and larger in the colder temperatures. The petal pink shows more blue, also, and is significantly larger. The flower opened in the last rain and is pretty shot by now. I’m excited how long they last in cool weather, well over a week in the two gallon in the protected walled garden out front. The foliage doesn’t seem to suffer from any fungal attacks. It just withers and dries instead, without showing any signs of infection. Kim

What do you think?

Wow.

Extremely nice coloration and form! That color sure doesn’t get lost with doubling.

Doubling doesn’t have to obliterate the blotch. Open, flat or nearly flat blooms can show it to perfection. I’d expect the more double flowers to (hopefully!) last longer, too.

Thank you for the kind feedback.

Regarding mildew, I have been pretty ruthless, throwing out most of the ones that get PM. I am only keeping 3 Hulthemia this year that got PM. They were only mildly infected and all 3 of them set hips well, so I want to see how they do as seed parents. The remaining that were saved, including this one have been free of PM in the greenhouse. When they don’t get PM in the greenhouse, I have never seen it outside.

Kim, I am glad that M210-2 is performing well for you.

Jim Sproul

Nice, Jim!

Getting improved plant architecture and mildew resistance out of this line of breeding is difficult, so any improvements in that direction are very welcome indeed. Ralph would be proud.

Paul, that’s about the nicest compliment you could have given Jim! Congratulations, Jim. I am so happy this one has been resistant to mildew. It should, hopefully, improve propagation also. Ralph wouldn’t have kept it and used it so extensively if it didn’t root like a weed.

Thank you Paul, that is truly one of the most meaningful compliments that I could receive from a fellow rose breeder. As you know, Mr. Moore was more than the “father of the miniature rose”. I think that he was a father (or grandfather!) figure to many of us. It might sound silly, but I still find myself having goals and making crosses that I think that Mr. Moore would have liked. Just yesterday, I was commenting to my wife how it feels empty not having the rose mentors that I used to have. The knowledge, talent and imagination of Joe Winchel, Frank Benardella and Ralph Moore were remarkable. But even more so, was their willingness to share it with and teach it to others. Not trying to sound overly gloomy, but it feels like there is a big void among us. I am sorry that they are gone, but I especially miss Mr. Moore. I know that one of the things that kept him going was looking forward to the new seedlings that would be making their appearances in the coming Spring. I will never grow tired of the anticipation of new seedlings - it is and always will be very exciting.

Jim Sproul

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You know, Jim, that is what keeps “gardeners” young…the PROMISE of spring. The jewel toned new growth, the potential of the swelling buds, for us, the “what if” of each new seedling, whether it’s “the one” or not. The mentors are missed, but they live on in others’ eyes and in that expectation of the new about to be born.

Amen. Let me know when winter is over :slight_smile:

I can see the Cal Poly influence in the petal shape, whioh seems to be beneficial in this scenaro. It looks nice.

The mentors are missed

I’m just grateful that you all are willing to pass along the knowledge as well as carry on the tradition of mentoring.

“Not trying to sound overly gloomy, but it feels like there is a big void among us.”

I normally don’t like going all soft and mushy… but… I second the sentiment Don has mentioned. Meeting Mr Moore and getting to know him would have been amazing… but you guys like yourself, Paul, David, Robert, Kim, Viru, and Don, can fill that void by being the mentors now. I know for certain that I would not be nearly so hooked and far along the track I am without you and I get a sense of Mr Moore through you…

The seedling is beautiful btw :slight_smile:

Well, thank you! I’ve never thought of it as ‘mentoring’. The value in my upbringing has always been knowledge is worthless unless widely distributed. The only real “power” is in what you can give to others freely. I’ve never been able to write anything of any value unless I had unanswered questions, for which no suitable answers were available and I had to research and study to find them out. Once discovered, I had to share them with anyone interested. I believe that is one reason Ralph and I hit it off as we did. That, and I teased him, treated him as a “playmate”. Carolyn told me that was the way he felt toward me, too. He freely shared. Passing any information I gleaned from him on to others who are interested is what I MUST do, otherwise I’m “hiding that light under a bushel”. Unless knowledge helps someone, of what value is it? Also, the best way to remember something is to repeat it.

Several rose authors have stated everyone stands on the shoulders of someone else to reach higher. Elevating everyone improves the chances, and FUN, for all of us. Forums such as this teach us all. I certainly don’t know everything, never will, but your proposing a thought stimulates other “what if’s” in me and helps loosen memories of information provided me, and our combined thoughts stimulate everyone else so we all distill more, learn more, elevate each other dynamically. That is FUN and what learning should be. So, we ‘mentor’ each other. In doing so, we provide Ralph and all who have preceded us a larger dose of immortality. I know his greatest fear was his lifetime of learning, discovery and inherited knowledge would die with him. This, and we, prevent that. I am thrilled both Robert and Paul are here to help jog my memory and help me keep facts straight. Three heads ARE better than one, particularly when it has holes in it!

We’re all interested in all the facets of breeding within this marvelous genus. None of us can take every road, search every species, investigate every direction. Collectively, we can LEARN about many of them while digging our own information from the species and cultivars we’ve found interesting to us. I will likely never have need of roses hardy to zone 5 or lower, but it sure is interesting hearing how some others of you are creating them! Thank YOU!

The comment above about being able to dig yellows out of a cross stimulated the memory of Ralph’s statement that to “stabilize purples, cross them with a solid yellow” If you use a “stained yellow”, one which shows red in the flower parts, or strong red tones to the new growth, you’re likely to get stained lavenders like Angel Farts, Paradise, etc. Keeping the yellow “pure”, all plant pigments as free from red as possible, reinforces and stabilizes the purple tones and keeps them from blushing or burning red. FWIW.

I read this in a news article today:


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