Received my Jackson & Perkins Catalog today. Sat down to do some research on the new roses and none are listed on Help Me Find. Are these actually new roses or newly named roses? Here is a list of the ones that do not appear on Help Me Find:
Summer Nights
Sunny Days
Tropical Sun
Moonlight Melody
Party Dress
Double Red Simplicity
Caribbean Breeze
Hi Joan…
You are right. I haven’t put up all of the new rose introductions up on HMF, yet. I am juggling several HMF projects and just haven’t gotten to this part of my list of things to do. I’ll get there.
In the meantime, since J & P has put up re-named roses in the past and I have to spend time researching the new introductions, can anyone tell me, if these are NEW roses or roses that have previously been introduced and the names listed above are just new synonyms ? That will save me a bit of time.
Smiles,
Lyn
Lyn
I thought there was someone on here who did HelpMeFind. Thanks for the response and thanks for all your work on HelpMeFind it is an invaluable tool for me.
Hi Joan, there are a couple who try to help, including me. However, until J&P supplies the “official” introduction information to the ARS as has been done for many decades, putting them into the database with only this sketchy information would be potentially damaging to its integrity. Until they either create proper breeders code names for the new varieties with descriptions, there really isn’t anything to enter. Then, we have some hope of determining if these really are new roses or previous years’ “reruns”. It should be interesting to see if they generate new code names for them, or reissue previously used ones. Hopefully, they’ll also include parentage information with whatever they come up with.
I don’t know if anyone else might enter them, but I won’t until there is official information through the proper channels. I don’t want to be responsible for creating pages which suggest something new has been added, only to find out they’re more left-overs and reruns. At least Greenheart is listing the code names for their reissued minis under their new Garden Treasures line.
Kim,
A big “Thanks” to you too for your assistance on Help Me Find. I noticed something today in the J & P Catalog. None of the roses shown as “New Introductions” show a Var. name nor a Patent #. I would think that if these are actually “New” roses that J&P would post the Patent#. The Var. name and Patent #'s are listed in the catalog for almost all of the roses they are offering, the exception being those whose Patent’s have expired.
Good morning Joan, you’re welcome! My pleasure. I’d imagine they aren’t patenting much, if anything, figuring it isn’t worth the money. Of course, for existing patents (which is likely the greatest asset of the original company), they’ll list them and do some policing. When J&P bought Armstrong years ago, John Walden told me the only value Armstrong had to them were the patents. When you remember they were for things such as Double Delight, it makes sense. They burned the Armstrong stock in the fields due to the extreme virus infection.
It probably makes no sense to them to create code names, register them with the IRAR nor patent them. Who’s remaining to “steal” them they could recover any significant damages from? I would think it behoves them to list exisiting information, but not to generate new. I hope I’m wrong.
I need to finish putting up the rose registrations for 2011. The ARS was slow getting them up this year, but I think they are all up, so it’s time to get back to that project.
I did check and there are no new registrations from Jackson & Perkins. Nor are any of the roses listed above registered by any other breeder, but that doesn’t mean that the one of the roses wasn’t picked up by J & P to be used as a new introduction.
After I’ve got all of the new registrations entered, I’ll do some more research.
Smiles,
Lyn
I like the pink shrub with dead flowers… lol.