The Mansfield Park, L’espirit de Fille, Confiture, Wedding Roads, Honey Caramel, and Katherine have come in.
Now we’re just waiting for Royale, Auswonder, Special Bride, Vivid Red, Kinda Blue, Auswill, and Lovely Raspberry.
On the list to possibly buy next are Garden Fashion Ausmit, Arietta, Tamaki-Misora, Orange Party or Orbit, Bella Trendsetter, Austango, Petit Four, Toffee, Cappuccino, and Peony Red.
That should hopefully give me enough colors to work with.
These are the flowers that we’re working with.
Juliet Confiture RoyaleSpecial Bride
Vivid Red
Kinda Blue
L’espirit de Fille
Mansfield Park
Katherine
Wedding Road
Auswonder
Auswill
Jise
Honey Caramel
Catalina
New SPS
Emma Woodhouse
Ausjo
Lovely Raspberry
If you have any recommendations for varietals with unique colors please let me know! I only have the basics for the moment.
Seeing a good amount of recovery as new growth. The Catalina is the slowest to recover while Jude the Obscure is the fastest.
I talked to the vendor Ergongzi and it seems that the Confiture, Wedding Road, and Katherine are Grafted even though they are listed as an own root. I’ll have to air layer these as soon as possible so I don’t propagate the wrong part in the future.
I tried air layering with a root pod but it seems that the canes aren’t strong enough yet so it snapped off even though it was the thickness of a pinky. I threw the broken canes into an DIY aeroponic bucket cloner that I will edit in here when the lights go on. I wasn’t able to make Lactic Acid Bacteria prior to placing them in the bucket since I had to act fast but I will link it here for anyone that goes down this route. The LAB will help prevent root rot if you’re not running a sterile system with hydrogen peroxide or bleach.
I was looking at an ultrasonic mister for future versions of the cloner as it has a couple pros. Some of which are lower costs to replace if a mister breaks (about 1/4 the cost of a pump) and a reduction in heat produced within the system.
I have tried the aeroponic cloner before with bouquet roses which didn’t work out. This time around i’m using softwood. We’ll see how it turns out in a couple weeks. I’ll be adding bleach at a rate of .2-.3ml per gallon if I don’t make LAB.
Edit:
Softwood Juliet & Jude the Obscure at varying thicknesses
The Catalina made a full recovery. I took out the old growth to open and clean things up.
The emma woodhouse and Juliet are flowering at the same time so I’ll be trying to cross pollinate shortly.
I threw some fresh canes of Juliet and Jude The Obscure into an aeroponic cloner I made about 2.5 weeks ago and it looks like the root callouses are forming. This was way faster than my attempt with a bouquet of Juliet roses that took almost 3 months to root.
How has your success rate been with hip formation? Mine’s been pretty hit or miss depending on the pollen and seed parents used, but ultimately it allowed me to go into the growing season with several crosses already forming well before the heat rolls in.
I can’t speak to the fertilizer recipe since I only use organic, but I did discover that it takes about two weeks for the entire room to stop smelling like fish emulsion after you apply it in an indoor grow tent.
We’ve got some roots but I’ll leave them in the cloner for a little bit longer.
The Bessie came in yesterday morning with some powdery mildew so everything got dosed with propicanozole to prevent it from spreading. I was able to do some light cleaning while spraying so everything is looking pretty good!
Cool! I have always wanted to try that.
You are using neither an airstone nor a micropiezo fogger I see… Any insights into various setups, and the pros and cons of them?
@KDickinson I deleted my comment earlier because I didn’t know if breeding with patented roses were legal but it looks like I’m in the clear.
I think some of my roses are more fertile than others as I’ve done the same routine for some roses with no success.
Using an air stone for deep water culture would require more power as they’d have to be on for a longer amount of time to keep oxygen in the water. This also leads to more heat making the environment more likely to harbor bacteria like pythium. You can counteract this by innoculating the water with beneficial bacteria.
I tried DWC before without innoculating and the canes suspended had rotted over time. It might’ve gone better if I used Clorox like I did in the aeroponic set up but I won’t know until I try it again.
For fogponics I’d assume it’d be better since you have the highest amount of water suspended in air. I’m not sure how the foggers handle being sanitized but they are cheaper so it may not be as much of a problem if it breaks. No idea how long it’d have to run compared to the aeroponic pumps. I’d guess that it’d run a bit cooler as well.
Here are the Juliets from the aeroponic cloner now.
Yeah although I think the time and effort might not have been worth it for indoor pollinations, especially since it took up a lot of space that could have been used for propagation, but I did learn a lot about those seed parents’ willingness (or lack thereof) to set hips. I was able to modify my breeding plans for this year accordingly.
I actually wound up losing most of work due to a hard freeze after I finally put them outside for the winter, so lots of lessons were learned.
Apologies – either I am blind or precociously senile – I missed your description higher up in the thread.
A decade ago I contemplated a setup with a storage bin, an array of holes drilled into its lid and cut segments of pipe insulation to hold the cuttings, while an intermittent fog mister would hydrate and feed the cuttings, and an airstone would prevent anaerobic conditions in oyherwise stagnant water.
Proximity to airstone and mister would determine how wet the cutting would be.
Ultimately I decided the experimentation wanted more fiddling than warranted, and was unsure of feasibility of the concept.
You have rekindled my curiosity. (…though conceptualization is always easier than realizing any goal for me.)
Thanks.
@KDickinson
Might have to start getting shelving so you can use the space for both props and pollination! There was the tier shelving i think at costco for 110. Have you tried switching the seed parents to see if the other parent just had infertile pollen? I know if i use Juliet as a parent I should be fine.
That’s terrible the freeze got to your plants. Mother nature can be a cruel beautiful beast.
@philip_la
An airstone + fogger combo would most likely yield better results than mine.
You could even add net pots and clay pebbles to make things more reusable.
I’d still sterilize or inoculate with beneficials. I remember running DWC w/o beneficials before and I had to use a 600gph pump with 4 2x4 stones to get things proper but that was for a large established plant.
Since you’re only using them for aerating in fogponics not getting high levels of aeration shouldn’t be much of an issue.
I finished formulating the fertilizer recipe. Everything pretty much hits 100% so you can dilute as necessary. I didn’t go for the 280ppm on phosphorous as the more credible studies maxed out at 200ppm. Double checked the math on paper so the ppms should be solid.
If you go off total silica amount instead of soluble it’s 52ppm.
