Hello to all!
On a trip to the countryside last May, I discovered a particularly dark-colored R. rugosa hybrid in an open area next to a woodshed. In the immediate vicinity I noticed ‘Kiese’ and two or three small shrubs of Modern Roses.
Even from the distance, I noticed the dark purple color of the flowers. On closer inspection, the extraordinarily coarse foliage was also striking. The flowers are single and have a wonderful smell. The plant was still flowering later in September.
In search of a fitting rose, I compared the flowers and the leaves with the Rugosa roses that you find here and there, they were all much lighter in color and the foliage was also not so rough rugosed.
I would have liked to know which R. rugosa hybrid it could be.
Before I browse Hmf and the Internet more extensively, do any of you have a guess? Many thanks for efforts and help!
Caroyal captivates with its large, semi-double blossoms in a vivid shade of violet-red, accented by bright yellow stamens. A testament to Canadian horticultural heritage, this rose was nearly lost to time but has been lovingly preserved.“”
The color is amazing, but what pleasantly surprises me is someone was hybridizing with “Heritage Roses” in western Canada in 2007 … the breeder of Prairie Peace, “Erskine”.
The hail did not get all my hips from crossing with Caroyal. Had hips of
@RikuHelin, thank you so much for the prompt ideas and suggestions! At first view, there is indeed some similarity to all three varieties existing. But I’m afraid that I have to exclude the two de l’Hay cultivars as both have loosely filled flowers. Purple Pavement has slightly filled blooms and is lighter in color at an open stage. ‘Caroyal’ appears to be also slightly double and is once-flowering. I didn’t know this beautiful rose before, but primarily it doesn’t seem to be offered in Europe, which further limits the probability of selection.
I will pursue to continue the matter and thank you again for your support.
Hi SeasideRooftop,
thank you very much for your time and effort! It’s great that you have tried to help me with my question too. I have compared the two suggested roses as far as the available pictures allow. Purple Valeda is semi-double, so probably not suitable. Berry-Bush™ Aurora ® comes very close. However, a rich rose hip decoration can be seen on some photos.The Pheno Geno Roses company states on its website that Berry-Bush™ Aurora ® produces an incredible amount of rose hips that can be used for jams and marmalades.
When I re-examined in September the shown Rugosa hybrid, I could not find any hips. However, the pollen is fertile. Unfortunately that would be an indication against it. I will continue my observations and perhaps the proper name will be found sooner or later. If I should find it, I will add it to the post just for information.
I would rule out any Aurora variety as they’ve only been in commerce for a couple years, and this looks like a fairly mature specimen.
purple and sterile makes me think of one of Tantau’s Strandperle varieties (however still fairly recent introductions). I grow Strandperle Norderney and it is continuously flowering. However, my specimen shows its darker color also in all the flower parts that are usually green (sepals, receptacle) and stamens.
The other Strandperle seems to be slightly less dark and with green sepals. Note that, even though it is reported as fertile on Tantau’s catalogue, mine hasn’t set a single hip in three or four seasons. I wouldn’t be surprised if the other strandperle behaved similarly
It is good to search for Rugosa varieties in collections of shops in your country or region. It is very less likely to find roses in Europe that are popular in the US, but not available in Europe. That should narrow the number of options down.
If it is in Europe and the rose was planted in a public space, it will very likely be one of the big players that provided this rose. I believe Tantau especially focusses on public gardens and road side plantings.
Hansa and Roseraie de l’Hay are also popular Rugosa roses for public spaces (in my region). But your rose indeed doesn’t look like either.
Thank you very much for your kind comments and thoughts. I am so sorry that I have to say that the two Kordes Strandperle variants are to be ruled out as well. In a nearby public rose garden, both shrubs (Norderney / Amrum) are planted next to each other. Both these rugosa creations, however, are showing a morphological relationship to R. foliolosa, especially identified in the slimmer and smaller rugose foliage and in the structure of the hips; the rose I am searching for does not have this specific leaf structure.
A little note on the fertility: The two Strandperle variations form relatively numerous hips here. However, rather in similar small size and character to R. foliolosa fruits.
I have just continued my research and very probable I have found what I was looking for:
‘Wild Emmy’ a creation of the ‘Wild series’ by Georg Ruf, Germany
Once again, my thanks to everyone who participated in the search with their engaged commitment!
You’re welcome and thank you! I saw it was your first time posting and wanted to make sure someone welcomed you to the forum. I join others whom I am sure are also eager to see your results. Good luck!
First of all, I would also like to welcome you to our community. It is great that you joined our team!
My grateful thanks also for your contribution. I had already considered Scabrosa, but then rejected it. The hip formation of Scabrosa has inspired me to do this. In response to your suggestion, I took another very close look at all my photos and indeed I was able to discover three rather hidden hips in the early stages. That fact is able to cancel the exclusion of Scabrosa. A direct comparison of the two almost faded flowers could also confirm your assumption as well as the rough structure of the leaves. The white star-shaped halo that both roses have are a further valid indication.
Unfortunately, the location of the rose is not very close to me, which is why I cannot keep regularly a close eye on it. In the near coming season I will start a few visits anyway. I firmly believe that your assumption will be further confirmed.
