I just finished reading Kim’s article in HMF on rootstock. He questioned if anyone had ever used miniature rootstock to induce dwarfing in standard size roses much like the dwarfing effect with apples. So I’m wondering has anyone here tried that. I’m going to give it try. I have Pink Clouds (thanks Paul) and an OP seedling of Buttermint that I can use. Are there any other suggestions that you might use for a mini rootstock?
By the way Kim, that is a good article.
Thank you Jeff. I’ve never followed through with the idea but will be watching your results with great interest.
That sounds really interesting, Jeff. If you want a suggestion for something really small try the micro mini Cinderella. Mine never gets taller than a foot but the root ball is a monster! It might have enough vigor to support an HT type plant but keep it smaller in size.
I think Cinderella would be really hard to bud on because the stems are really small. Plus the buds of a hybrid tea are typically larger I think than most of its stems.
I too am looking forward to your results. If this works some one could safe guard some of the rose genetic gene poll better for future using a fraction of the land.
Giggles would probably work with HTs.
I’m limited in my miniature roses right now because of a move. I’m going to try the budding with what I have and hope to have a few more minis in the ground before the end of summer for next year.
Thanks for the suggestions of mini “rootstock.” I had both in Oregon and thay were good roses for me up there. The deer liked the too.
“Why do you always seem to take on years long hobbies?” , asks my wife. Then I try and explain my quest for a yellow, repeat bloom crested shrub. Do any of you get that WHATEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR look?
You should remind her that “years long hobbies” demonstrates commitment, dedication and the willingness and ability to hand in there for the “long haul”. All traits a wife should value in a husband! Would she prefer you be fickle, running from one five minute pursuit to the next, like a hummingbird through a garden?
I can’t find the “like” button for that post, Kim. 
With all the moves I have made in my lifetime and all the plants and books I have moved along with me, I often think why couldn’t I have developed a passion for collecting stamps? But I couldn’t.
Jim P
Excellent points made in the above posts! Long haulers are steadfast! Yeah!!!
Do I know that feeling, Jim! Stamps require so little and weigh nothing. I wonder how many paper cuts anyone has ever gotten from them? I’m tired of blood loss! LOL!
Go with the smoothies, Kim. Just got back from the grocery store to buy groceries (excuse) but really to check out the new shipment of minis (Kordanas this time). Nice but they had thorns, though not many, so I didn’t buy a one! (I am really getting fixated on this , LOL!)
Jim
Believe me, Jim, I understand and share the fixation on lack of prickles. I figure those we have are likely rather inbred as they are, so finding any verifiable source of prickle reduction not related to Little Darling is a cause for excitement here. I figure the more sources I can collect and add to the mix, the safer any selfing becomes.
I am interested to learn whether Miniature roses can dwarf other varieties. Has anyone actually succeeded?
I’m not overly hopeful, though. Dwarfing isn’t always where we might expect it to be.
The Gardener’s Monthly and Horticultural Advertiser, 10(11): 330-331 (November, 1868)
Berckmans: Dwarf Peach Trees
"Orchard house culturists complained some years since, that the health of the Peach trees trained for pot culture, was impaired after a fair season of fruiting, by the cramped space the roots had to occupy. This remark led me to the idea of taking the seedlings of the Italian Dwarf peach as stocks whereupon to work the early market varieties upon, and to endeavor to produce really Dwarf Peach trees of any given variety, without the necessity of root pruning, etc.
"I consequently budded several seedlings of the Italian Dwarf with Hale’s, Troth’s, Amelia, China Cling, etc. Last year the buds started off finely, and I was anticipating for the ensuing fall some well formed Dwarf Peach trees, but contrary to my expectations, the buds kept growing until by fall they averaged seven feet high, with bodies two and a half inches in diameter at the junction of bud and stock, while the latter attained the same heavy growth. The remaining seedlings in the same row being left unbudded averaged one inch in diameter at the ground.
“This unexpected result proved that in the case of the Peach the graft influences the stock solely, and the latter has little if any influence upon the former; this being made evident by the stock of the ordinary peach assimilating itself entirely to the peculiar growth of the Italian Dwarf when budded with that variety.”
Berckman did at last succeed by double-working his trees. That is, he used the Dwarf as an interstock separating the normal-type roots from the normal-type scions.
That would be an awful lot of trouble for roses.
Karl