I’ve been watching these for a while now as they color up, hoping to allow them as much time as needed, and to get them beffore some varmint does.
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My anxiety got the better of me, so I’ve just harvested the first hips of the season. All three were from 1-72-1Hugonis.
Pollen parent is Golden Wings.
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These resulted from pollen from DLFED 4
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The flesh is rather thick and juicy, very apple like. The scent and taste are oddly metallic (no, I don’t spray!) and quite sweet.
The Golden Wings fathered seeds.
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These few seeds came from two hips. Pollen parent: DLFED 4.
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They’re the first seeds I can remember actually being colored anything other than white, tan or dark brown.
The reddest seeds I’d ever seen were from “Pink Altai” (which is probably just a study name) which I saw at Brooks, Alberta. If you look at the hips, you can see where some of the color comes from. Apparently quite a few of the Spinosissimas have pinkish or even red seeds.
And when they have attractive foliage all season long, with good fall color, what’s not to like?
Peter
Kim, I like the cross of 1-72-1Hugonis x Golden Wings. It should produce something good. Any idea which way it might lean Kim ?
Kim,
I don’t blame you for being anxious. Those look pretty enticing. I know you said Hugonis blooms early, but how early were these crosses made? You’ll have these germinating in 2012 at this rate.
Everything about this is very pretty ALREADY !
I just did my LAST harvest of the season… Ebb Tide X Eyes4U finally gave one decent colored hip, and 6-7 small greenish crappy ones. I decided to go for broke and remove them all as they were all done (pollinated) the same time anyways. Most hips had 1-3 seeds, the colored (and fattest) one had a few more. A poor showing from Ebb Tide, for ALL THAT WORK (must have pollinated about 50+ flowers, all season long to get this…)…DANG! …maybe I should blame E4U actually.
Best of luck with yours.
As long as it’s yellow, hopefully without prickles and flowers heavily and long, I honestly don’t care which way it leans. Golden Wings already has spinossissima and xanthina in it, plus crappy old Mrs. E.P. Thom. The seed parent is half 1-72-1 with whatever the yellow species is I have. Opinions vary, but the seedling is expressing everything from zero prickles, through bristles at the can bases to nearly Omeiensis type, red prickles on a few canes. I hope the repeat types line up to produce a more reliable repeat with the Golden Wings ones.
Those from DLFED 4, I hope retain more of the bluish, ferny foliage. I expect there to be some prickles based upon the two parents. As for flower color/type, what a crap shoot! Probably pinks, I’d think, but with Orangeade and Legacy back there, heaven only knows.
These were probably accomplished in late February, I’d imagine. The seedling was in flower with very little to use it with for far too long. Golden Wings and DLFED 4 at least had a few flowers on it. Seemed as if everything else possible already had 1-72-1 behind it and I did NOT want to double up on those genes. I’d much rather double up on the species genes. I have used the seedling on Golden Horizon quite a bit. We’ll see if they stick to the end, fall off or get eaten. They’re too close to the edge of the retaining wall where the squirrels run.
“Hugonis” began flowering earlier than the seedling, but it wasn’t all that far behind. Both flowered until just a few weeks ago. It’s definitely related to the Chinese yellows, but what IS it?
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The seedling is LOADED with ripening hips!
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Next, it appears quite a few on Sunburn should be harvested. If I caught it in time, and I made every effort to, the hip on the left is from Banksiae lutescens pollen. The larger, more yellow one on the right is from the 1-72-1Hugonis. There are MANY of both types on the plant.
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Fedtschenkoana pollen appears to have worked some magic, too.
With Werner von Blon.
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White Cecile Brunner.
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1-72-1DLFED 1 with the “Hugonis” pollen.
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It looks as though I probably should break out the baggies and get cracking. It’s too early!
Thanks, George. I’m treating Eyes and Blue as icing on the cake. If the blamed things accomplish anything, great! If not, at least their pollens smelled good!
Kim have you thought of using Maigold in this line of breeding
Kim, I wonder if the excessive red on the seeds might be a sign of a thicker or more well developed pericarp which might in fact make germination more difficult or longer? Of the seed you sent me (from DLFED2, DLFEd3, DELFED4, and DELFED5… I think that’s right), the ones that came up the most easily were DLFED5… they out number the others by a significant margin. The ones that had the worst germination rate were DLFED4.
Don informed me that the pericarp posed a moisture barrier and that for the germination inhibitors inside the achene to be leached away moisture was required to gain entry. I noticed in the tomato pulp experiment that when rose seeds that are more brown/red in colour are put in to the pulp the fermentation process ‘ate’ the pericarp away. I’m wondering whether these seeds might benfit from a week in a pulp mix?
If the pericarp serves as a moisture barrier does it also prevent moisture from exiting the achene as well and could it therefore make seeds from plants with more well developed pericarps more able to withstand prolonged periods of storage (in the ground or in plastic bags)?
No, Warren, I haven’t thought of using Maigold. It’s beautiful, HUGE and short flowering here. JUST what I need another of, thank you very much! LOL!
I don’t know about the moisture barrier idea, Simon. Guess we’ll find out! I have to hold these for the next four to five months in the refrigerator before it will be cool enough (if even then) to plant. I expect germinations early 2012, or rather should say, anything that is going to be given the opportunity to germinate will receive it in early 2012.
With our eccentric weather everything got a month’s head start. I pollinated in early April for R pomifera ( from David Z) and Carefree Copper. R rugosa and various CC offspring were somewhat later by April 10. R xanthina was first and Austrian copper 2nd on April 2. Rainbow KO had blooms by April 3. The R pom OP hips were coloring strongly by June 1; so was the R rugosa. Now the CC are coloring. and will get harvested by July 6.
