Can anyone comment on Earthquake for breeding purposes? Is Rose Gilardi better?
If it helps, none of the numbered, recorded seedlings from Sequoia were from Earthquake. Rose Gilardi was used, but none of its offspring were recorded. 44 Stripe, the sister of Rose Gilardi, was used extensively and resulted in the following…
Red Moss Rambler 0-47-19 x 44Str
Hula Hoop 44Str x 44Str
Chick-A-Dee Cecile Brunner x 44Str
Earthquake Golden Angel x 44Str
9Stripe Breeder Golden Angel x 44stripe
Love and Peace Peach Halo x 44stripe
9 Stripe yielded…
Moore’s Striped Rugosa 9 Stripe x Magnifica
Best Friend Sugar Plum x 9 Stripe
13 Stripe:
Double Treat Arizona x 13 STR
Joah Austin Little Darling x 13 STR
14 Stripe
CeeDee Moss Carolyn Dean x 14 STR
26 Strip3
33Str Fairy Moss x 26Str
Shawn Boy Rumba x 26Str
Stars ‘N’ Stripes Little Chief x 26Str
33 Stripe
13Str Fairy Moss x 33Str
44Str Dortmund x 33Str
46Str (Pinstripe) Pinocchio x 33Str
Crazy Quilt Little Darling x 33Str
Painter’S Palette Little Darling x 33Str
Rose Gilardi Dortmund x 33Str
Secret Recipe Little Darling x 33Str
Strange Music Little Darling x 33Str
In an attempt to help sort things out…
13 STR Fairy Moss X 33 STR
14 STR Little Darling X Ferdinand Pichard
26 STR Little Darling X Ferdinand Pichard
33 STR Fairy Moss X 26 STR
44 STR Dortmund X 33 STR
46 STR Pinocchio X 33 STR
8 STR no parentage listed
9 STR Golden Angel X 44 STR
As you can see, he primarily used the stripes as pollen parents because they often didn’t perform well as seed parents. He also considered Pinstripe one of, if not the best of his stripes.
He named Secret Recipe because everything he used it on worked (in his opinion). Little Darling X 33 STR.
You might take a look at Kim Rupert, virtually a sister of Rose Gilardi and unused…so far, unless Paul has massaged it. I’ve raised a few selfs from it just to see what it might do and they’ve been OK, with decent foliage and saturated color. Just not the direction I’m playing toward at the moment. (information from Sequoia breeding list)
Blackspot. Floppy. Fade.
I grew it and tossed it.
Rose Gilardi is better to me. I am growing out the other yellow striper, I forgot the name and have to leave soon but I’ll remember later. It’s from Arizona.
I didn’t have any luck with Earthquake but have had good results with Rose Gilardi.
‘Rose Gilardi’ would be far better as a parent. It is a sister of 44 Stripe, one of Ralph’s best breeders, and is very capable. ‘Pinstripe’ as Kim mentioned, is also a good option. I have had some excellent seedlings from it. Not much of a seed bearer, however.
You might want to consider ‘Shadow Dancer’ for breeding. It is an excellent, strong plant with obvious ‘Dortmund’ influence. Sets seed like mad.
Thank you all. I’m looking for something healthy that I can use with my OGR hybrids to bring the size down somewhat, but still retain the look. I like the idea of something with Dortmund in its parentage. I can see how beautiful Shadow Dancer is, but its not available here yet. It would go great with explorers.
The name was Double Treat. Its really pretty. Didnt get disease or flop for me like Earthquake did. It retained the color better than Earthquake did but both fade more than they should since yellow isnt very saturated in the striped minis yet. It looks pretty cute near the rocks I have it planted by. I tried what little pollen I had on…? can’t recall… but it did not take. It was July, hot and I only had 2 blooms, so it is not a fair time for comparison of fertility. It is definitely not a Rose Gilardi but I found it decent. I expected it to blackspot but it did not do so.
The name was Double Treat. Its really pretty. Didnt get disease or flop for me like Earthquake did. It retained the color better than Earthquake did but both fade more than they should since yellow isnt very saturated in the striped minis yet. It looks pretty cute near the rocks I have it planted by. I tried what little pollen I had on…? can’t recall… but it did not take. It was July, hot and I only had 2 blooms, so it is not a fair time for comparison of fertility. It is definitely not a Rose Gilardi but I found it decent. I expected it to blackspot but it did not do so.
Lovely Rose. I will look out for it.
I accidently lied. It did take, possibly. I found my master list. It said I mixed Double Treat, Shadow Dancer and Eyes for You onto Playboy, which resulted in a large bundle of hips.
I think what I loved about Double Treat was that the tone of yellow felt warm to me. The majority of the yelow minis are either fade ASAP or really sharp toned.
BTW, it says on one rose on HMF that Ralph Moore thought that certain roses like Rumba led to higher moss ratios. I wondered if heavy Rosa foetida (or Rosa rubiginosa, etc.) relations led to this pattern. I remember Paul commenting on his site that the mossing vs. “thorning” varies widely. I wondered if a rose like Arizona was more likely to produce more thorning over soft mossing because it is multiple layers of Pernetiana inbreeding, much like non-mosses can produce a dominance of heavy thorns over few thorns. For example, I mentioned Impatient recently. It seems to pass on its nasty thorn traits dominantly. I even recall Tom Carruth talking about this at a convention in Portland many years ago.
Jadae, where did you obtain Eyes for You? I WANT one!
You may have hit on what makes Rumba express the “moss factor”. Mark Sullivan, also a Pernetiana, created the older moss hybrid, OM. As for Arizona, I doubt Ralph used it with that in mind. He was far more pragmatic than that. He used it because he HAD it.
I used a red/yellow striped mini called Little Dragon some years ago. I tried to find parentage of it, but came to the conclusion that it may have been Earthquake renamed. It had very little pollen, took 5 or 6 blooms to have enough to pollinate 3 or 4 seed blooms. I still have 4 seedlings from a cross with Bonica (1 yellow, 2 pink/white, 1 mauve/pink) in '01.
Rod, perhaps it was mistaken for Little Tiger? A later Moore introduction.
Does anyone have experience with Twister?
‘Twister’, as a parent? It hasn’t formed hips in the 8 years I have grown it, and I have doubts about getting pollen from it, as it is SO double. I can’t imagine that it has anything to offer that better varieties like ‘Pinstripe’, but hey, use what roses you have on hand and find out!
I’ve decided on Rose Gilardi, but discovered Twister on the Pickering site under climbers & wanted a quick opinion before I placed my order. Pinstripe, alas, is unobtainable. Thanks Paul.
Lydia, both Burlington and Rogue Valley list it as being in stock and available. Have you emailed either to inquire? It’s worth getting if you want to play with stripes. Kim
Heirlooms carries Pinstripe. They kepe getting more and more Moore minis every year. I saw it in person there for sale and on their online website and in their physical catalog. That is where I bought my Double Treat in person.
Personally, I <3 Rose Gilardi the best but it might be the blackspot environment persuading my bias 
Kim, Mike
American nurseries don’t ship to Canada. They did before we had “free trade.” Also I need minis to be budded. Own root minis do not survive my garden. My choices are Palatine, Pickering & the nursery that carries Pickering roses. Fortunately the latter sometimes has desirable roses that don’t make it into Pickering’s catalogue.
Oh, then Rose Gilardi is probably the hardiest of the choices there.
Select Roses has some stripers but they are own root. I wish the shipped to the US cause Brad Jalbert has some neat roses up there. They carry a striped called Mixed Feelings that looks decent but I personally would gamble on Rose Gilardi for your frigid climate.