Apart from Garden Party roses (which l’ve always thought they are Léonard Lille’s plate bande / rosa chinensis minima with a fancy name), I’ve never grown species/ old roses in my garden, so I’m not sure what their biology is and what to expect from them; but this weekend I visited a private garden which has a vast collection of old roses: I saw several chinas, rugosas, noisettes, teas, damasks, etcetera, and some of them have rose hips which I’m tempted to harvest to grow at home (owner told me it’s OK to take as many as I want).
However, I don’t have a lot of space to keep roses that won’t bloom in the short term (I live in a flat), so I plan to discard (actually, I’ll plant the ones that don’t have juvenile bloom in my grandma’s house) seedlings that won’t bloom in the first year (or earlier) and keep those that have flowers.
I don’t want to be greedy so that other people can harvest rose hips too, so l’d like to know which rose plants have higher odds of producing offspring with juvenile bloom.
Rugosas, damasks, and botanical species (moschata will be the only one I’ll bring at home
because it’s remontant, so: remontancy = juvenile
bloom even though it’s a botanical species… am I right?) are out of my “wishlist” because they don’t show juvenile bloom. Should I drop any other?
According to me, blush noisette, old blush, mutabilis and moschata are remontant but… does their offspring show juvenile bloom?
Welcome to the forum. I have only fleeting experience with Blush Noisette, but indeed it has juvenile bloom. Unfortunately, it was single x Frau Karl Druschki.
Thanks! I’m really excited to be here and learn about rose propagation from seeds!
It’s good to know blush noisette seedlings show juvenile bloom, I thought its moschata ancestry made them to behave like a remontant rosa rugosa!
Regarding your rose seedling, don’t worry too much about it because it’s still a very young plant! At least in my experience growing garden party roses from seeds, roses’ flower pattern changes over time as the plant matures to an adult one, so this flower is obviously not its definitive bloom pattern, not even its petal colour or fragancy will be the same in next months / years.
However, I don’t grow roses in a professional way, I’m not a hybridiser, I’m just an amateur gardener who is interested in growing roses from seed, so take my words with a pinch of salt!
PS: TYSM for responding and showing me your blush noisette seedling! It’s really cute!
Thanks for responding! I really appreciate your experience!
What you say is reassuring, nevertheless, I think I’ll give up with those rose varieties because my flat has limited space for growing such large roses.
I’d love to grow rouletii and oakington ruby rose seeds… and other dwarf lawaranceanas if possible (I don’t really know much of them apart from being dwarf old chinas) because I can grow them indoors near a sunny warm window frame! The problem is I haven’t found anyone who is willing to sell a few rose hips (or rose seeds) of those varieties… and yes! I’m completely aware rose seeds aren’t true to type (the sole exception, besides botanical species, is garden party, which I already have), but I don’t mind seedlings having some variation, I mean, I think it’s really exciting to see them grow from seed and let them to amaze me with their surprise factor.
Do you know anyone or any online store that could sell this to me?
Welcome to the forum. I have experience of all three. For Mutabilis, all seedlings show juvenile bloom if crossed with “typical” reblooming roses. For Blush Noisette, part of seedlings show juvenile bloom. For R. moschata, some seedlings might bloom in the first year and then bloom continuously, but much larger than a “typical” rebloomer, not so “juvenile”.
Your experience is identical to other people’s experiences so I suppose the general consensus is yes, they actually do!
I’ve changed my mind and I think I’m no longer interested in growing this (maybe the only exception would be blush noisette), I would like to grow dwarf old chinas and their hybrids because they fit better in my flat (I plant to grow roses indoors).
TYSM! I didn’t expect to be welcomed here since I’m not a professional breeder!
And don’t worry, I’ve already gathered a lot of information on the matter and I’ve come to the conclusion they in fact do… anyways, I’ve already changed my mind and I think I’m not longer interested in them because they seem to be too large plants to grow in my flat, in any case, I hope this thread could be useful to someone else!
