David I want to ask you about your rose Honeybee? Is this the rose that was talked about in the Plant Breeding journal article (vol 126, pp 83-88) the article is about blackspot resistance? Is it going to be available in commerce at some point? And where would the resistance come from because it is not coming from Rise 'N Shine? By the way I like the photos posted on helpme find of it.
Secondly does anybody know anything about Rosa 45 mentioned in the same article?
David, I’ve seen Vivid Red and Hannah Ruby in Jim Delahanty’s garden not far from where I live. Both are great roses in this type of climate. Catherine Guelda suffers from die back here, limiting its usefulness in this climate.
He also has one of yours which is an excellent poly type for this area, Monica. I don’t even see it listed on HMF. He frequently states he wishes it would be available as it is so good here. What can, would you tell us about it, please?
Hi Kim and Adam!
I’m glad some of the roses bred in MN are doing well in CA!! THat is great. Honeybee is a cross of Rise 'N Shine and a chromosome doubled open pollinated seedling of Monica. I nicknamed that polyantha rose Monica and it is the rose 95-1 in a couple articles:
Whitaker and Hokanson, 2009. Euphytica 169:421
Thank you, David! If you want or need pieces of any of them, I’m sure Jim would be happy to send you some. Kim
Thanks for the info David.
David, how do your ‘Angel WIngs’ seedlings do in the cold? I’m in a zone 9B area and even in this area I had a late frost that killed over half of them.
Hi Simon,
I lost most of them that first winter in zone 3. From a handful, including 95-1, I raised open pollinated seedlings from the survivers and got some more that were reliably crown hardy. One of those was the mom of both Candy Oh! Vivid Red and Catherine Guelda. I’m glad there was some variability for cold hardiness among that group of seed. Most died out though. The catalog I got the packets of seed from listed them as zone 5, so I’m just happy there were some survivers to work with. Many have gotten powdery mildew kind of bad, but some are better than others thankfully. 95-1 has relatively good horizontal black spot resistance and Vance used it in his inheritance of partial resistance to black spot study. The near thornless stems of 95-1 is nice too. These ‘Angel Wings’ or ‘Angel roses mixed’ plants sure seem to be heavily R. multiflora influenced polyanthas.
That’s really sad that even in zone 9B that a late frost killed many of them. Did it kill a lot of other roses too or were these particularly susceptible? In 2007 we had a late freeze in April and the nice new growth on these were killed back hard, but thankfully most started again from the base. I really like these roses because of their heavy bloom and nice rounded plant habit. Most people visiting my garden that don’t have a lot of rose experience are surprised that these are roses because of their small simple flowers.
David
David, it sounds as if what you used is what Ralph Moore used to create Green Diamond, Snow Magic and Fair Molly. He called it “R. Polyantha nana” but declared it was raised from “Fairy Rose” seed he purchased years ago.
Hi David.
Are/were any of your “angel mixed” OP seedlings fragrant?
David, these and one plant of laevigata were the only plants killed. I have only two left from a batch of 60ish seedlings. The laevigata surprised me actually. I kept waiting for it to reshoot from the base and it never did. The other two laevigata plants around the palce weren’t affected. None of my multiflora plants/hybrids were affected either. Even my Teas and clinophylla were unaffected.
As with everything else from commercial seed companies you have to consider that there may be different things going under the same casual name. Fairy rose is pretty generic. I got something decades ago from Thompson and Morgan that was sold for more or less the same as David has, listed as R chinensis minima or R multiflora nana ( I forget which, they claimed to offer both) but it looks like the latter with phenomenal rebloom. I never lost any of a dozen at below 0 F over quite a few winters. Finally threw most of them away when they got too big. I kept one that is around 3 ft tall and wide, and doesn’t get any damage, even to tips, unless below 0 F. But only one of a dozen showed more than the slightest trace of color in the flower. I kept that separately in a pot, and sent a piece to Adam a year + ago. Seed set is low considering the huge number of flowers per season on the 3 ft bush.
Oops, I slipped. The seeds came from Parks, and were labeled R chinensis minima 25 seeds. That was in 1983. But they sure look more like a multiflora.
The last time Parks sent me a catalog, they still sold those seeds. I am sure they still do if I were to look. The picture was always ragged whitish, pinkish and mangeta-ish blooms of what looked like dwarf cluster-types. I cannot assume what they really are but one can only guess. They could have been OP of lord knows what that have been OP’d very years and years to since. I am sure they have a person of origin but actions by places that huge get buried in time.
haha, I found the link:
They say Rosa chinensis minima, which is not possible given the foliage and clusters. I would not doubt they are part china somewhere but they specifically look like true polyanthas on all characteristic levels shown from the photo. It makes me wonder if they are OP from a polyantha cultivar from the 1890-1940s range.
This is where I got mine (see link), off Fleabay. Says cold hardy. I think not.
All were little singles of either white or light pink… no strong saturated colours.
Link: cgi.ebay.com.au/Minature-Rose-Angel-Wings-Rosa-chinensis-20-Seeds-/150513497383?pt=AU_Plants_Seeds_Bulbs&hash=item230b4db527
Ah, yeah. It was Marie Pavie that it most reminded me of.
Fleabay lol… I gotta pass the one on, haha.
LOL, the last few pics are not even rose seeds/seedlings!
I should start calling my best friend’s brother happy seed =/