Crystalline

General Discussion
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Hello everyone, I am curious to see/hear if anyone has tried or used this rose. HMF lists one use of it, link below, not sure how to add links properly
[url]'Dogwood' rose lineage
I found this rose in one of our nurseries here in Australia not thinking it would be available, so it has been ordered, any assistance is appreciated. For those that are working or considering working with Hulthemia’s could this rose(Crystalline) work with them.

Regards David.

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I had a first year bare root of it way back “in the dark ages” in the old Newhall garden. When the place was dismantled, it had to be back hoed out, it was enormous! Healthy (in that climate), thick, strong canes, tall, wide always in flower and I hoped more than anything, I could coax something from it with the crested seedlings. Nope. Nada. Zip. I loved the plant for itself because it was a really good rose to grow and enjoy, it simply never cooperated for me, in that location, with what I used with it. If I had the room and water, I would grow it again.

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Thanks Kim, I have all the above mentioned things, water and like, it should perform well in my Z8b/9a I think. My first thought was something along the lines of your cross with ‘Mrs Oakley Fischer’.

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Hmmm… Who’d have thought it… It’s 1/4 Angel Face, and I would have thought it best avoided for that reason alone. (Paul Barden has poisoned my objectivity on that one, admittedly, with his “friends don’t let friends hybridize with AF” tagline.)

Can any of the mauve heritage be coaxed out of her, I wonder?

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Philip, it is the other Crystalline, not the one by Tom Carruth, sorry for the misunderstanding, here is the link(I hope)

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Oops, sorry David. Mine was Tom’s.

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Not a problem Kim, so far I might be the only one playing with it.

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The link above or below is what caught my eye about ‘Crystalline’, not Tom’s ‘Crystalline’ it is named ‘Dogwood’ bred by a fella named James Riley, not much info on him, the cross is Dainty Bess x Crystalline.

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Dumb question…how did you manage to bring this into Australia? It appears to have been bred in Florida from what I can mine from HMF.

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So for the mis-understanding Kim again. It was the rose ‘Dogwood’ that caught my eye when I was reading some references on HMF about some other roses. We do not have ‘Dogwood’, but we have the parents. The singleness of it keeps me thinking of your lost single. All this is"thoughts" at the moment. Something like this with yellow/fragrance/health and some Persica, not asking to much.

Kim I will be the first to let you know how we can get them here from you, I am still working on it.

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[quote=“david mears”]'Dogwood' Rose
it is named ‘Dogwood’ bred by a fella named James Riley, not much info on him
'Dogwood' Rose

I believe you are talking about James Bailey, not James Riley.

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Oh, pardon me, David, my mistake! Personally, I would never use Dainty Bess for anything. There are far too many mildew and black spot issues with her. She’s a gorgeous, well scented “museum piece” and worth growing in her own right IF you have the desire, room, time and water. But, raising anything from her would be counter productive in my opinion. Why engineer in disease issues from the foundation forward you have to work to eliminate? There are surely much healthier potential parents to play with and obtain similar results from.

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[quote=“Peter Harris”][quote=“david mears”]'Dogwood' Rose
it is named ‘Dogwood’ bred by a fella named James Riley, not much info on him
'Dogwood' Rose

I believe you are talking about James Bailey, not James Riley.[/quote]

Sorry Peter, I was having a seniors moment, you are correct

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I may use it, I may not, by putting it out there I receive some feedback Kim. my way of feeling the waters, I might use it but go further back, not sure yet.