Controlling weeds in large fields among roses.

Simon

I like your points about your own root plants.

Found a pic that might help explain the goal (not taken at my place) Remember to leave yourself enough room between rows especially if you are growing ground cover types. You may want to get the tractor down to undercut them in the autumn that you are digging them out.

Henry, what is the story with cornmeal? How do you apply it and at what kind of thickness? Is it necessary to reapply regularly?

I would be very interested in hearing more.

All the best

Mike

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Hi Simon!

I’ve been in the midst of a transition. Due to the recent budget cuts, I’ve been trying to change from a lab rat…to a field mouse!

So, half of my days are spent in the field and the other half are spent in the lab…

I’m still learning A LOT about the field stuff, but I figured you’d like to know what I’ve learned over the past few months.

What, I’ve learned about field ‘stuff’:

-No amount of weed barrier, mulch, chemicals, etc… will resolve you from the fact that you will have to do some hand weeding (trust me on this one!).

-We use good quality weed barrier. Yes, it is expensive, but it’s much cheaper to go that route than to hire a lot of extra people for labor. I say to use good quality because one of the professors used some empty rows from one of our field and he bought the cheapest weed barrier he could find. Unfortunately, within a year it broken down (completely). We’ve had some out there since 2003 and the only reason it has started to break down is because it’s been run over repeatedly with mowers, shredders and tractors.

-Personally, I would use weed barrier (I like the idea of using an old rug) because it allows the water to flow through it. Plastic will just shunt it off to the edges.

-Irrigation is a necessity. (We lovingly refer to is as ‘irritation’…) My personal opinion is that micro-sprinklers on a large scale are NOT practical. Thankfully, we have only a small portion of the peach trees on micro-sprinklers. Every time I turn on that section of the field, I spend a good 40 minutes walking around making sure the sprinkler heads have not blown off (and yes we have pressure regulators on the lines).

-Never turn the irrigation on and walk away… Every time I do, a line would blow out and flood a portion of the field.

-If you lay the irrigation on top of the weed barrier, it is easier to spot leaks and repair them. Unfortunately this also means that the sun will break them down quicker. However, if you put the irrigation underneath the weed barrier, the sun won’t break it down as fast, but…it’s harder to locate and repair the leaks.

The other reason I hate working/repairing irrigation is the fact that the fire ants love to build their mounds at the points where the water drips out. Nothing like trying to repair a break in the line and jump around trying to get the stupid biting ants off of your hands and legs. Hopefully, you have nothing as nasty as fire ants in your area!

-You’ll probably want to have a soil analysis done. This way, you can amend the soil as necessary BEFORE you plant the roses and watch them suffer and try to figure out what nutrients they need.

-Depending on what your friend is growing now, or has grown in the past, you will probably have those items ‘volunteer’ to germinate in the space you’ve given to the rose (or anywhere else they can put their roots down). Example: We were the first ones to plant in the ‘new’ Hort Farm. So, for years we had no trouble with volunteer plants. However, in the last few years other professors have move out near us and now we have things like watermelons, squash, tomatoes, blackberries, etc… growing amongst the peaches and roses. And, the worst of all…Morning Glory! Curse that plant and all of its offspring. It will sprout and totally take over a rose within a week!

-About Chemicals:

Jim mentioned the use of fumigants to sterilize the field. For us, this practice has been banned for years now. I was told it was a very effective treatment for weed control, but it’s not an option for me.

A few others mentioned pre-emergents, they’ll help, but won’t control everything. I rely more on a contact herbicide, but still I have to do a lot of hand weeding.

-And my last ‘hard lesson’ learned:

Make sure to leave enough space BETWEEN the rows to get your mower and tractor in there. Nothing like having 40 rows of roses and only being able to get the mower through 35 and having to use a push mower on the other 5…

Is it just me or has the morning glory been especially bad this year?

Ahh, the ubiquitous morning glory. I think it is the only weed that can grow 3’ in a week without any water. I thought I had gotten rid of all of it, but up pops some this summer, and it hasn’t rained since , what, early March? This is the most god forsaken area on our property, and here is a morning glory 10-12’ tall in one season. I pulled out part of its’ tuberous root only to have it break off with each leader, which means it will be back-I think it took me about 7-8 yrs of constant weeding to get rid of all the fennel, golden rod, thistle (several varieties) and the morning glory. These were the former owners’ idea of flowers, which he had allowed to go ‘native’. Isolate the drought tolerant gene in Morning glory and insert into corn (or whatever) and laugh at this midwestern drought. I know, if it was only that easy.

There are only a handful of weeds I promote the use of Round Up to get rid of. ANYTHING morning glory, including bindweed and prickly cucumber are the two major ones. I hate seeing all the blamed bird feeders around as bindweed is definitely a component of many mixes. Whether it is on the label or not, plant the stuff. BINDWEED germinates!

The morning glory is always bad here. There just seems to be something obscene about pulling a five foot fat white root out of the ground.

Neil

mike athy, I have my lawn service apply corn gluten meal in the spring with a broadcast spreader to stop the germination of weed seeds. The label states to use 10 pounds per 1000 square feet. I see recomendations for fall application also, but I skip that. Maybe in milder climates that is useful. In northern Ohio I count on freezing temperatures for late weed clean up.

I should mention that corn gluten meal is not a 100 % method. The advertisement that I have states 85 % control after 2 years and 91 % after 3. The following scientific paper show more modest control, see Figure 1. http://cdn.intechweb.org/pdfs/26000.pdf

The article has lots of information about other weed control procedures.

[size=large]My neighbor topdressed her lawn with some bagged top soil from Menards, and she got tons of weed sprouting. She hired a lawn care company - they spreaded lime on her lawn to get rid of weeds.

I get horse manure from the stable here. It’s a gigantic heap. The stable here put lime to deodorize horses’ stall. I use horse manure to mulch my roses, and was surprised it worked better than bark mulch: no more weeds.

I ordered a pile of dirt this year. They put lime in the dirt to suppress weeds. Lime drives down potassium, necessary for blooms. My tomatoes are at least 4’ tall, but less fruits. That can be corrected with sulphate of potash. When I mulched with horse manure (has lime), I was concerned that lime (calcium oxide) makes my soil too alkaline. I asked a chemist in the Soil Forum if lime travels down to the root zone, and he said lime stays put where it’s applied. Lime is also a natural fungicide. The roses mulched with horse manure don’t have blackspots, but the rose that I did not mulch on purpose came down with blackspot.

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