Any suggestions for working towards a purple and yellow striped color combination?
Would working on two/three lines first and then crossing resulting desired seedlings with each other work? Say a strong yellow crossed with Purple Tiger and a second and third line of a strong yellow crossed with George Burns and Oranges n Lemons.
I should think things through before posting. lol I think it would make more sense to work on one line of Purple tiger on a strong yellow and maybe combining desired seedlings with each otherâŚ
Its a tough combo. Even roses like Lakeland Pride, which is mauve with a yellow reverse, are peculiar crosses. Angel Face already has a lot of yellow in it. It is 1/4 Peace and 1/4 Circus, both of which can throw and come from bicolors. Granada is a yellow blend floribunda crossed with the epitome of the pernetianas, Tiffany.
Incognito (which would be my fave mini if it didnt defoliate from disease before June!!!) is equally peculiar. It also has a ton of yellow and bicolors in it.
Purple can be just as difficult as mauve to pull off. Combine that with stripes and yellow and things get even trickier. Even purple/white stripes can be difficult to be had. Ask anyone trying to replicate a superior version of Purple Tiger.
[ x Self] âŚor something similar. I dont know =/
This year I have a few hips of Shockwave X purple tiger and one hip of Purple tiger X carefree sunshine. We will see what happens.
Patrick
Rob, I think that âMemphis Musicâ is about as close as you can get to a starting point. You might consider putting that in the mix.
I have had a few with similar combinations, but with the yellow base color and purple stripe overlay, you donât get a true purple mixed with the yellow.
Here is a seedling that was the result of {[(âOrangeadeâ X âAbraham Darbyâ) X âMidnight Blueâ] X [(âStainless Steelâ X âPurple Tigerâ) X âBaby Loveâ]} X âJulia Childâ.
The red coloring is actually darker than in the photo. I back crossed this to âMidnight Blueâ and have a striped seedling that is sort of purple with a sort of yellow background - no photo yet.
Getting a true purple stripe with a true yellow will be extremely difficult if not impossible to get. However, I will be the last person to discourage anyone from trying anything with roses. If you keep knocking on the door, it just may open for you!
Jim Sproul
Jim that is a very lovely striper indeed!
Yes, very lovely, and the foliage looks great from what I can see.
Jim, have you ever used Honey Dijon with stripes?
Thanks for the nice comments. âL118-2â is free of powdery mildew and seems very good against downy mildew in our climate. I donât know about black spot.
Jadae, yes I did use âHoney Dijonâ a few years ago. I crossed it with a seedling of âStainless Steelâ X âPurple Tigerâ, using HD as the pollen parent. The seedling with the best color was unfortunately a runt, but the blooms were striped yellow with the other color being a sort of brown color. I used that seedling in other crosses, but ultimately the runt passed on. Below is a seedling coming from that line. Itâs parentage is as follows:
{[(âSinginâ in the Rainâ X âRoller Coasterâ) X [(âStainless Steelâ X âPurple Tigerâ) X âHoney Dijonâ]} X âHot Cocoaâ
Again, the red coloring here is not quite right. It is closer to the âHot Cocoaâ coloring than red. This was the first bloom on this seedling.
Jim Sproul
Hi Jadae, there is a purple with white stripes called Stranger and it is very hard to find., I would love to get one!
Jim, your striped roses are beautiful! Purple Tiger is a great rose to use to attain stripes. I have a few different colored striped seedlings with buds that are just starting to open, here is one that I just found this morning, Marilyn Monroe X Candy Land. I am so thankful it is not a climber. It has a pretty good fragrance too.
Thats an impressive combination of very unusual colors!
Thanks Jadae, here it is again opened more.
Jeanie â I gave budwood of Stranger to Burling at the ARS Palm Springs show in November, and I believe she has successfully budded some of them up. If you are looking for that rose, you should call her and put yourself on her list for when the plants are ready to sell.
Oh that would be so nice, thank you Kathy, would you be able to send me an e-mail with her phone# and e-mail address, I would appreciate it so much.
Jim and Jadae thanks so much for the advice and tips.
Rob
Apologies as this is a VERY old topic but on this, Iâve just received Tawny Tiger bare root and it still has a couple of blackened hips on it so it sets them at the very least! Will update when I come to trying it as a parent for the first time.
This is the article you mention.
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/breeding/Moore/stripes.html
Striping and spotting are available only for anthocyanin pigments. Yellow is due to carotenes (in roses), and does not stripe. However, I have seen yellow stripes on white background in Four-oâclocks. They have different pigments than roses do. I have a flicker of an idea, but canât remember for sure whether striping can work with the âchameleonâ gene. Any suggestions for a rose that opens yellow, for example, then develops red stripes? I canât remember whether the stripes of âMme Drioutâ appeared before opening or after.
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/Rose_Pictures/M/mmedriout.html
This just in:
The presence or absence of white stripes on the petals, although it did not segregate as expected for a single dominant trait, was nevertheless mapped onto the 97/7 rose map on the 3rd linkage group along with the loci for double flowers and prickles (Linde et al., 2006).
Theoretical and Applied Genetics 113: 1081â1092 (9 Aug 2006)
Powdery mildew resistance in roses: QTL mapping in different environments using selective genotyping
M. Linde, A. Hattendorf, H. Kaufmann & Th. Debener
I have only the abstract for this paper, so I donât know what striped varieties were used.