Any interest in a website to post seedlings?

The recent issues with HMF got me thinking about its user experience.

And wondering if there is any interest in a website that’s solely for Rose Hybridizers to post their seedlings

Would this be something that could prove useful in the long-term? Or is it redundant to HMF’s features

Here are some features I thought may be useful.

  • following hybridizers’ updates
  • Posting your seedlings
  • Viewing all seedlings uploaded from a specific cross (e.g. Julia Child x Purple Tiger)
  • Posting/viewing notes other Hybridizers have posted about a specific rose (e.g. “Sets hips for just about every flower but germination rate has been low”, “most seedlings have been riddled with mildew”)
  • Viewing seedlings by hybridizer
  • Search roses/seedlings

There’s not much actual functionality but it gives a basic idea of how it might work.

If there is interest, I’d like to gather ideas on how it can be improved

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This would be a great idea. We could share ideas that work for others in the same climatic conditions or with pollen parents that others are interested in. As well as boasting about our own achievements.

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I sure do like the idea of that regional aspect being incorporated.

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I think it’s a nice idea!

Small caveat: Isn’t there some kind of rule that, in order to register a seedling, one must never have posted pictures of it publicly, and wouldn’t that maybe put off some of the more experienced/established hybridizers who are looking to register them?

Possibly related:

I stupidly didn’t back my hybridizing notes up this year. Suddenly yesterday evening I discovered that all my notes from 2025 are irretrievably gone. I guess at least I still know what the parents are on each, but now I have no idea how many days old my hips are so I’ll just have to guesstimate based on rough memories and color.

Perhaps the proposed website could include a section of the profile pages where users can keep a copy of their list of crosses and dates, with an option to toggle this as either private or public.

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My current issue is that while I love the way the free Airtable app allows me to organize my records, and store easily retrievable photographs of each seedling…they recently dramatically reduced the the allowable size of a single file. So now, while the app still functions, it has become much more difficult to locate and retrieve/add specific notes, photos, etc., because a given year for me has to be split into 8 - 10 individual files.

I have tried Excel and Sheets, but neither are nearly as user friendly, especially with photo accessibility.

The easiest way to resolve this would be to upgrade Airtable to the pay side…but $20/month just grates on my cheapskate nature.

If there was a site where I could easily store and organize my information, with adequate space for photos, I’d be glad to pay at roughly the $24/yr HMF premium, maybe a little more. Especially if there was a way to back up the info to a local device…websites do die.

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Yes! I think that is great! Would be very interested in that!

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It has nothing to do with registering a seedling. The rules for patenting it state once it’s out in the public, you have a year in which to patent it. So, if you think there may be a chance of it requiring a patent, don’t post photos. Don’t post descriptions. Don’t post any identifying information about it. If YOU can find it in a Google search, rest assured the experts at the Patent Office can find it.

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Thanks for the tip regarding those tags @roseseek ! I just placed an order and look forward to using them next year!

Regarding posting about seedlings vs registering and patenting them, I only do this hobby for fun without any goal of registering/patenting, so my understanding of that whole aspect is fuzzy at best, and I appreciate your clarifications!

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I included the hybridizer’s zone in the Notes on the rose page so you’ll see it along with the note. If they choose to add this info on their profile.

Oh that’s horrible, sorry about that. That’s also something the website helps with. Plus it will make accessible the data from anywhere

I could see that being simple enough. With the option to download as .csv file. I track more data so I could also see it becoming a full-featured software haha

@lee_hull and as far as I know airtable doesn’t support data export. I have the same issue with excel because I need photos with my notes since they’re much better than written descriptions

If you don’t mind, can you describe your workflow (here or PM) and the information you track?

I agree with the data backup or “Download My Data”. But I wonder what format would be most useful. I’m starting to think also of an offline version

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You’re welcome @SeasideRooftop. My friend re ties the strings to shorten them, but he is SIGNIFICANTLY more patient than I. My primary issues with them is they tangle terribly and I have to pick them up instead of allowing them to deteriorate and disappear into the “mulch” as the old Avery paper and cotton string tags did. The paper quickly disappeared and the legions of birds harvested the strings for nests.

We can easily list deserving seedlings on HMF. If you want to deal with them and WAIT, and WAIT, and WAIT…. you can actually register them with the ARS/IRAR. If you have the resources and actually want to spend them on it, you can also patent them. That’s predominantly only worth it for really good, commercially viable types with the resources of a Week’s, J&P, etc. behind them. The seedling web site is nice as it provides a place for all efforts without overloading HMF with them.

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Sure. As I begin pollinations in the spring, I use Airtable (from my phone, while working in the garden) to assign sequential numbers. So in 2026, the first cross will be 26-001, second 26-002, etc. the mother and father and date of cross are recorded at that time.

Throughout the summer, if a hip fails, there is a checked column, called (naturally) “Hip Failure”, and as I find them, I just pull out the phone, check that column, and it sorts those rows to the bottom, out of the active list (the data isn’t lost).

When I begin to pick in the fall, there is a column to record that date, and how many seeds were retrieved. I will then place each seed from that hip in soil in a Petri dish and stratify.

As seedlings later emerge, I remove them from the dish to small flats, and at that time, the individual seedling is assigned a sequential number. So if hip 26-001 made it through the summer, and then had a seed successfully germinate, it becomes 26-001-01, and I will keep it labeled that way through its lifetime. And you can see in the table that all photos of that seedling have their own cell, and you can activate the phone’s camera when you click on the cell, so it makes record keeping very easy. And I always take a picture of that transplanted seedling, so that makes an automatic record of the germination date, if I ever need it.

I don’t keep a separate note cell for each seedling (although you could). All notes for each seedling in a hip are kept in one field. If you see no photos, there were no germinations from that cross, though I do keep that dish, and will re-stratify along with this year’s crosses and try again.

It doesn’t take many photos now to push a spreadsheet over Airtable’s data limit, so as you can see, this example only includes the first 30 crosses of 2024. Here’re screenshots (imagine the rows side by side).

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Roughly how much would it cost to patent a rose?

Having never patented anything, the best I can offer you is a Google search… this site won’t allow me to post it, likely to prevent more of the spam type posts recently experienced. The search suggested between $5K and $15K depending upon whether attorneys are involved and which type of patent is sought.

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