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According to your experiences, it is possible that the cross Academy X Rugosa (a simple flower, pink) give these results? Nothing leaves wrinkled, normal thornes, white flowers …
The seeds were as small as those of Rugosa
Your heavily greyed white seedling is quite attractive! I’d love to see how that one sorts out with time.
What do the leaves and the plant architectures look like?
the leaves are not wrinkled, few thorns normal, some plants are bushy, have many branches from the base. All fragrant. and remontant,
Some seedling flowers have light pink, semi-double or nearly so simple. blaxk spot resistant
Based on the photos and your description of the plants, I would say they probably are not hybrids. Of all of the crosses with Rugosas that I’ve grown, there usually are some Rugosa traits in them. Go onto HMF and look at Moore’s Striped Rugosa, Linda Campbell and Topaz Jewl and you’ll notice the Rugosa influence in the stems and leaves.
even when the cross is with the rugosa pollen? and then only one copy of the gene pool is rugosa and maybe 2 or 3 of the Accademia?
Yes, even with the 1x of the genes from Rugosa and 2x of the genes from Accademia.
Here are two pictures of a Tuscany Superb x Rugosa seedling from a cross I made two years ago. The first one shows a bloom of the seedling and the second one is a comparison of the leaves of the parents and the seedling. On the left is Tuscany Superb, on the right is the Rugosa and in the middle is the seedling. This is only the seedlings second season and I expect the leaves to be larger when it matures. But you can see that the leaves are more rounded and wrinkled like the Rugosa.
ok thanks, … But, for years, has not made me seeds, even OP … and the seeds that I got were really small (20 seeds in a hip) exactly as those of Rugosa … since I put the Rugosa pollen in the flower , I was hoping it was a hybrid …
The triploid seeds are small?
P.S (the father Rugosa it is a seedling,hybrid,not very Botanic Rugosa)
the father Rugosa it is a seedling,hybrid,not very Botanic Rugosa
Hmmm. Paul, would this not change the equation? Could he have a hybrid that happens to skew morphologically toward the female parent in this generation, because of the hybridity of the paternal parent, but still have rugosa traits lurking in the genes?
If Academia hasn’t made seeds before and now it has when this rugosa pollen was used, then one would think the seedling are likely the result of the cross.
Yes Don that would change the equation. But I don’t think the seedlings are skewed toward the female parent (Academia) because the male parent is a hybrid since the female parent is a hybrid also. But I think the male parent (Rugosa) probably has similar traits to Academia from its non rugosa parent lurking in its genes.
What ever they are they are nice looking seedlings. I find the grey one very interesting looking.
another seedling of the same hip a year after…very blackspot resistent and fragrant! (Accademia is very blackspot prone)
Very interesting looking! Congratulations!
Yep, congratulations!
Another indication of hybridity with a rugosa parent is winter hardiness. I have a number of modern x rugosa crosses where the rugosa traits are not immediately apparent, but they seem to be a little hardier. If I get a chance I’ll put up some pics.
Very nice indeed. Did these take 2 seasons to bloom?
flourished even last year, but too late, and the plant was small, did not look so beautiful, then in the fall I transplanted in the ground and this year has demonstrated its force.