A natural hybrid of beberiana from the 1930s

While you are looking for potential contacts, if you know anyone near Kasoin in Persia (or whatever the current name is), there was a report of a natural hybrid of berberifolia with a resemblance to R. hardyii in Farnsworth’s book “To Persia for flowers”.

There is also an almost heartbreaking picture in that book of an ass so loaded down with plants that you can only see its face and neck: it’s carrying plants of berberifolia to be used as camel fodder.

The author of the book was Fullerton, not Farnsworth.

Thank you ann, nice description!

This is for winter, when investigation will be again the main theme.

At the moment I am so busy with gardening, that I don’t have the time to read new texts.

But I will for sure keep it in mind!



Hi Timo!

Yes you are right! And my seeds of the Taschkent type of Persica are just from such a connection!

Thats why I thought that every persica has to be like this - and why I didn’t notice the differences for a pretty long time.



As I was slogging through some google search stuff I noticed that a recent study of rose relatedness had used R. persica (Hulthemia) from the Royal Botanical Garden in Madrid. Might their strain be different from what Harkness used? Worth a look by someone with access to Madrid.

The actual paper ref was by Atienza et al in a journal I’m not familiar with, Agriculturae Conspectus Scientificus vol 70 (# 3) pp 75-85. It is available on-line.

Back in 1980 J. Zielinski published an article in Arboretum Kornickie 25: 41-51 on Distribution of R. persica Michx. and its hybrids. this sounds interesting but I need to check NY Bot Garden or Mo Bot Garden to see if they get this journal by exchange from Poland. It seems hard to find otherwise.

Using worldcat.org, I found Arboreteum Kornickie in the libraries on this link. If you’ll substiture your zipcode for mine, you’ll get those closest to you first.

We do have Interlibrary Loan exchange with Georgia and Vanderbilt.

I’ve also started looking into the 1800s.

But I’m not sure what it was called then?

Has anyone got “the” original citations of the holotype, typotypes…all that?

Hi you!

I don’t know these infos, so if you get them and can tell us here about it it would be a great support for everyone here.

But I would discuss that in teh hulthemia main thread, because here, in the interplant thread, suh important info is at the wrong place, i think! :wink:



I have started cataloging some of my better persica seedlings based on generations from H. Persica. There are many with various good traits showing up (wide color range - whites, pinks, reds, oranges and yellows, nearly thornless, bushy habit, glossy foliage, good cleanliness). Now, if only I can get all of the good traits together in one plant!

Jim Sproul

Link: sproulrosesbydesign.com/HulthemiaGenerationsPetals.htm

Ann, try Rosa berberifolia (1797), Rosa simplicifolia, and Lowea berberifolia.