A local curiosity

Shortly after I began growing roses my interest turned to the native roses in my area. I’m an avid proponent of native pollinators. I saw some comments online talking about wild roses growing all along the banks of a nearby lake and went to check it out…

Here’s hoping I got the post formatting correct.
After two trips of searching, I finally found what naively looked to me like a wild rose. A dense thicket of canes. Its thorns were sharp and unfriendly. Prolific suckering and long canes crawling along the dirt in the same manner as a Virginia Creeper vine.

Note: I did not take any of the pictures on this post.
Unfortunately, my own photos of the plants were lost when I broke my phone, and I went too late in the season to see any flowers anyway. But I was able to find some pictures online:


Double petals? Confusing.

A little further down was a second specimen demonstrating the wild manner of growth:

Some more pictures, not the best quality unfortunately:


Very small, ovoid foliage.

I can’t say for sure, but I believe these roses to be once bloomers. The only pictures I could find of the flowers were all dated in May, and when I went in August I didn’t see any signs of flowers, spent blooms, or even hips. Both roses are growing on a man made walkway surrounded by water on both sides a few hundred feet from the shore. The lake itself was made in 1919.

Even more curiously, there is another very similar “wild” rose thriving in the woods near a different lake on the other side of the metro:

My first thought was that it was a strange, natural hybrid of modern and species. But that seems unlikely. They weren’t growing like any rose I’d ever seen, and my hands were scratched bloody from the thorns. Perhaps an old rambler, the last remaining specimen of a beautification project many decades ago.

I’m eager to hear your thoughts.

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That looks like ‘Dorothy Perkins’ or ‘Minnehaha’, old Hybrid Wichuranas.

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Both of them are very prone to mildew as you shown in the photo.

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Those both look quite similar! Mildew is very common around here with our humid climate.

I would say out of those two possibilities that Dorothy Perkins, being far more cold resistant according to HMF, is more likely. It can get pretty cold here, albeit briefly, in the peak of winter. Most recently we had back to back polar vortex events in 2021 and 2022 where the temps hit -14 and -2 respectively. Many of the less hardy perennials either died or were killed down to their roots.

But I’m no expert. In fact, as I learn about more roses I realize just how little I actually know.

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The deeper-colored plant could be ‘Excelsa’ (a.k.a. “Red Dorothy Perkins”). I wouldn’t be surprised to find that there were gazebos built near the lakes and planted with those roses at one point.

Stefan

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Gazebos or fences. All the ramblers mentioned have been popular choices for public and private plantings for a century.

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Interestingly, the first rose rose is on a trail that’s about 15-20 ft wide with a small dirt pathway. On one side is the lake, on the other is the river they dammed up to create the lake.

Further down, the trail turns into a paved road that takes you to the farthest corner of the lake. On the slope between the road and the river lies the second rambler. I found an aerial photo:


Zoomed in on the thicket:

Neither spot really screams “plant a rose bush”. Makes me wonder what the area must’ve been like 60-80 years ago.

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I guess the big question now is… what do we think of its potential in a breeding program?

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If it’s Dorothy Perkins, that went on to make Ellen Poulsen which has been well used to create some marvelous offspring. Excelsa has generated some interesting things. It all depends upon what type of results you’re interested in raising. You should study what they’ve created on HMF to see if they interest you.

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That sounds like a good plan. I hope to purchase a subscription here pretty soon.

As far as my rose breeding goals, at this point I’m just enjoying being a novice. The excitement of trial and error. I made some cross-pollinating attempts and was quickly was humbled by failure. I had tried using my Iceberg rose as a seed parent, unaware that it only sets hips in cooler weather. That’s when I realized that I didn’t even know which of the roses in my garden would even set hips, so instead of doing intentional crosses I opted to spend the rest of the growing season collecting hips where ever I could find them while my roses at home open pollinated. That way I could spend the winter germinating seeds. I even lucked out and grew nine seedlings without any cold germination, and had two sprout pretty early on, so I’ve been learning how to grow seedlings indoors, too.

I know I like striped roses and hate using chemicals, so one idea is to create a striped landscape rose. And I’m very excited to work with the roses native to Oklahoma. I’ve purchased seeds arkansana and setigera seeds, and foraged carolina and foliolosa seeds. I’m even hoping to start a small (very small) business selling native roses and a few other pollinators locally, maybe eventually online. Beer and pizza money.

I don’t really care about monetizing the hobby so I’m not worried about mass appeal and marketability. I just want to have fun trying to create neat roses and doing weird experiments just to see what happens.

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If you really like this type (like rambler varieties mentioned above), I recommend to use ‘Alexandre Girault’ instead. In spring I found that many Hybrid Wichuranas get serious powder mildew, but AG is absolutely clean, and it also almost immune to blackspot. The small, round, thick shiny leaflets, large clusters of pom-pom liked flowers and long, slender shoots are also attractive. It might be either diploid or triploid (the pollen parent is a triploid Tea), but at least it can set some OP hips. You can try to cross it with diploid rebloom varieties to creat a rebloom version (That’s what I plan to do next year). Note that ‘The Fairy’ is a very popular variety and breeding material, it’s bred from ‘Lady Gay’, a Wichurana rambler. You can try to create something like TF.

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