David,
For those few very rare and precious seeds you might still have in baggies, consider keeping them in their baggies and let them germinate there, and prick those ones out individually out of the baggy as they germinate. Watch out for slugs you can lose a lot of newly potted seedlings from those filthy varmints.
Gee David, I’m sorry! Been there, actually quite a few times. The wire product you’re thinking of is hardware cloth.
The story is a bit longer now, I have just transplanted 3 more of the seed sent by Kim (thank you).
They are, Centre Stage, Car x Leb and Loyal Friend, plus some unknown seed(no idea) from something I had. 2 OP ‘heritage’ and about 10 others on the weekend coming will be potted up.
Hi David, you’re welcome! To the best of my knowledge, you may be the only one to have raised anything from Loyal Friend. I’m not aware of Barney Gardner having raised any seedlings from it, and he’s no longer here to ask. Car X Leb is Carlin’s Rhythm X Leticia Bianca, so you have a plant of one of my roses, crossed with Mansuino’s Banksiae hybrid, raised by Robert Rippetoe. I’m sure Robert has worked with it, I haven’t yet, but grow it because I find it an interesting cross/plant. Centre Stage is a very healthy plant and flowered quite well considering it is in its second year in a one gallon can. None of its pollen appears to have taken on anything I tried it on. It needs to be in the ground, but where?
I’m excited to see what comes of the seed. Please practice with your camera so you can share your baby pictures! Thanks!
Dave,
Look after those Carlin’s Rhythm seedlings! I think they have a LOT to contribute to Aussie roses.
They are perculiar in a few ways and it is worth treating them a little differently to other seedlings. I got some OP CR seeds a few years back and not many came up (about 9 from memory), but the ones that did mildewed quite badly in pots. Don’t let that fool you. Mostly they just hate being in pots because once I got them in the ground they cleaned up with an uninterupted root run and took off making incredibly beautiful, sturdy and healthy babies. Another bit of evidence suggesting that root stress is a key factor in whether a rose gets mildew or not IMO. The faster you can get these babies in the ground the better. The one I kept was an outstanding rose and true to Murphy’s Law… if something can go wrong it will… the plant was eaten to the ground by rabbits… twice… recovered both times only to be attacked by my (now gone to new homes) large-breed chickens that got into the test bed and scratched it out of the ground on a 35 degree day and I could not save it. This was probably the rose on which I had the most hope pinned for developing thornless healthy roses and it was a sad day when I lost it. I had hoped to do something like what Mr Moore did to make ‘My Stars’ with this rose and put it with ‘Playboy’ (because rust is not an issue here). I have a number of new seedlings coming up now that seem to also be quite good (don’t ask me which ones as I can’t remember and it’s 5 degrees and raining outside so I aint checking), and I will be treating them the same by getting them into the ground as soon as spring arrives. They have big shoes to fill. The things I love about CR is that it seems to pass on a lot of very valuable attributes. It passes on excellent root systems, great foliage, healthy, vigour, thornlessness, repeat, excellent colour saturation, and excellent fertility (this one was developing OP hips already at just a few months old).
Here’s a photo of the one I was talking a couple of months before the 'chicken incident, after regrowing for the second time in 6 months. I wish I had photos of it as an older plant as it had reached about a foot high and wide with not a trace of spotting with hips and flowers developing concurrently.
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It’s (CR) a beautiful plant, Kim, and I think it has enormous potential as a breeder for here in Australia.
Simon, how many germinated out of the ones you have. If you could what would you have crossed it with. The same thing is asked of you Kim.
Couldn’t tell you,David. About 10 so far maybe… it’s been a few days since I’ve been able to get out and check.
My goal is something like this: 'My Stars' Rose Photo
So… healthy strong floribundas was my initial thought.
Ooooo, Carlin’s Rhythm X Letizia Bianca does sound especially a great one to have, all the best!
I’m thrilled Carlin’s Rhythm has found such a following! Thank you! I pray it does some wonderful things in others’ hands. I’ve always liked the plant, which is why I offered it to my nephew to carry his name in honor of his wonderful musical abilities. He can wring out a tenor sax!
My initial thought for CR was to introduce lavender into the Legacy line. Lilac Charm has been a favorite of mine since the earth cooled, but it has mildew issues. It’s intensely fertile, and when happy, can be stunningly beautiful. Of course, I am a sucker for lavender/lilac flowers anyway. Plus, it’s a LeGrice rose and his, with Harkness’, are some of my all time favorites. Both gentlemen were also the type of people I respect, so it makes it doubly nice.
I haven’t used CR in breeding for anything, yet. It often takes me a while of observing the plant before it tells me what it wants to mate with. Some speak their desires to me right away. Others take their time. CR is taking his time. I figured there should be some very useful, desirable traits there to mine, but I’ve not worked my way there yet. Lynnie, on the other hand, told me straight away what her desires were, so I’ve been giving her the lead. I accomplished two dozen pollinations with her on Cal Poly last night and just completed fifteen on Pretty Lady a little while ago. This afternoon, I’ll put Pretty Lady on TooCuteChild, with its pollen on Cal Poly. I’ve used as much of Porcelain Rose as I could coax from its blooms on everything, including Pretty Lady. I think there are some good things there to play with, too.
I’m “flooding” the stigmas with pollen, as Ralph suggested in his later years. He felt his lack of success with some of the odder crosses, particularly the Bracteata and Rugosa crosses might have been due to not applying enough pollen to the blooms. I could very likely get more pollinations from the available pollen if I was more “efficient” with it, but I want to make sure every possible attempt is as successful as possible, so I don’t begrudge the quantity.
What are you thinking Carlin’s Rhythm might be good to try with?
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This is the one and only OP Peach Halo seed, now a seedling which came from Kim(thanks Kim)
The next photo is not crash hot so I will interprute it for the public, it is OP Peach Halo’s bud
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The story is progressing every day.
Congratulations, David! You’re welcome. I only hope it isn’t too far inbred to be of any use or enjoyment for you. Ralph did a lot of “back crossing” to fix the “halo”.
Hi David,
That looks very exciting and hopeful. I looks like the seedling is starting to branch out already. If the flower is good, that would be a good sign!
I was waiting for this photo, David. I hope to see the bloom soon as well.
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I am going to try and do this again with only three shots, lets have a go,
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the third shot is what happened when my pet goat “Benny” had lunch on the open bloom of my presious OP ‘Peach Halo’ that Kim sent. It needs to survive, doesn’t it everyone.
david I would be having goat stew tonight
Warren, Benny would be to tough, he is about 20 yrs and Carole said NO.
On the subject of above rose, how do I look after it, pot it up bigger and deeer, stake it or what ever any can suggest.
A former friend’s mother was a high power realtor in the Santa Clarita Valley. She bought a house at auction she had sold numerous times, the last one to a drug dealer who lost it to the government, from whom she bought it. The place is on a hill top and included a menagerie, including an unrestrainable goat. Linda thought the goat a real kick, until she tried to leave for work one morning to find the danged thing standing on the roof of her 560SEL Mercedes! She knocked the goat off the Benz, leashed it, lead it down the hill to the Latinos who owned the property at the base of the road and gave it to them. When my friend later inquired about the goat’s welfare, they told her “it was delicious!” Served him right! LOL!
I’d keep the seedling as you have it. If appropriate, provide it light feedings of liquid fertilizer after thorough watering. More frequent, lighter feedings will keep it pushing better than less frequent, heavier ones. Lighter ones are also harder to damage or kill it with. If the instructions say a tablespoon per gallon every two weeks, consider a teaspoon per gallon weekly. I’d also keep the flowers pinched off it to push it to grow instead of flowering until it develops into sufficient size to permit striking cuttings from it so you can’t lose it as easily. Peach Halo is not vigorous. I would imagine a self of it would be even less so, but may have a stronger “halo” to play with. Unfortunately, it already contains several doses of Angel Farce, so it has that against it. But, it is a good lesson in selection for an odd trait. And, for heaven’s sake, put it somewhere no critter can eat it! LOL!
I know how frustrating that can be. The cat has already absorbed pollen in his fur; the toy fox terrier has found anthers in a baby food jar very tasty. Her long, pointed muzzle was perfect for extracting it from the narrow jar. Like a canine hummingbird! She’s also snapped up small hips which accidentally hit the floor. Once anything is on the floor, it’s hers!
Thanks Kim. Would you repot it yet
You’re welcome. Does it seem root bound? Is the soil in which it is growing deteriorating or washing through the drain holes to the point where it seems in need of repotting? Does it dry out too quickly, or does it seem to not drain appropriately? Is it hot enough that the pot size seems too small for the heat it endures? If those answers are “no”, I wouldn’t repot it. If you feel those are the case, carefully repot it into a larger pot with fresh soil surrounding the root ball. Just because something ate the top doesn’t necessarily mean it requires repotting. If it has grown to the point where this pot is insufficient, repot it.
Dav id,
Do not repot this rose until it has some good new branching started and some new foliage. It is tempting to think that a bigger pot will encourage the seedling to grow faster, but up potting too small a seedling or a damaged one, can overwhelm its’ root system as well as allow you to overwater it, causing all sorts of problems. As it is, it will probably not blink with the fertilizing instructions as per Kim, this is the time to recoup what was, and only after that attempt to push it a little. As for the goat, surely you have heard of ‘goat pit BBQ’ haven’t you? Tough doesn’t even matter, if done right. But I realize it is a pet, so invest is some chicken wire, quite a bit of it.
