Finally getting some good blotches, and smoother stems.
Jim Sproul
Jim, that really does look smooth, and lovely to boot. Great coloration/definition to the anthers.
So far, the only thing I’m not really liking about the new format is having to figure out and learn who everyone is. So, if I don’t respond as if I know who you are, please forgive me! LOL! Thanks.
Hi jriekstins,
Thank you! I’m hoping to use this one to gain more smoothness in the group. It doesn’t get any powdery mildew in the greenhouse, but I know nothing about other disease susceptibilities.
Jim Sproul
Jim,
The blossom is lovely and so are the smooth canes! Congratulations.
jim p
Jim, did these appear randomly or were they smooth by design? The OP K206 seedlings (shown below) have struck me as being very thorny, the OP ‘Persian Sunset’ seedlings from Kim are also looking pretty prickly and ‘Euphrates’ has its fair share of prickles too. I was thinking a cross with my OP ‘Carlin’s Rhythm’ seedling, my OP 88-390 (80-358 x ‘Basye’s Blueberry’… see i63.servimg.com/u/f63/13/33/54/62/88-39010.jpg set out the same way HMF sets out their pedigrees) and my OP ‘Commander Gillet’ seedlings might help to smooth them out too. I’m a little concerned about this, however, as these seedlings all have white eyes and I wonder whether this will ‘block’ the hulthemia blotch???
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Oh, hey, there’s a good new pen-name for you, Jim: “Smooth by design…”
Very nice rose. Has that one been able to withstand the summer-heat-test yet?
Hi Jim P, thank you!
Hi Simon, I wish that I could claim credit for some grand design! This one came from a mildly prickly Hulthemia seed parent (not too many thorns, but about average for roses), crossed with mixed pollen from the best new Hulthemia seedlings from last year. Some of those were nearly thornless. And, yes, K206 tends to produce thornier seedlings, just like all of the early ‘Persian Sunset’ seedlings seem to. I think crossing some of your own smoother seedlings with them is a great idea, however, you may find that the blotch gets more diluted in the first generation. There does seem to be a “dose” effect for the blotch. What I like about this seedling is that I suspect that it has a high “dose”, probably 3 of the 4 chromosomes carrying the blotch. That is what I have been looking for, because then you can cross it with regular roses and still get a decent blotch, rather than having to do back crosses to increase the “dose” for a better blotch. Incidentally, this seedling dose have ‘Persian Sunset’ in its background.
Hi Philip, I’ll think about that pen-name! This one is still in the greenhouse. We should have it planted outside within the next couple of weeks.
Hi Simon,
Regarding the “white eyes” of your smooth seedlings, they may not be a problem. Some of the best blotches are showing up where the non-Hulthemia seed parent has a lighter or white central petal zone. This seems especially true where there is a gradual blending of color to the lighter eye zone. The problem of cutting off or blocking the blotch from being seen, seems to happen in crosses where there is a distinct white eye zone. There are definitely different rose genes at play that accentuate or diminish the intensity and size of the blotch. I’m not sure this will ever be worked out, but I wouldn’t hesitate trying whatever cross that strikes your fancy!
There will be very few seedlings of OP ‘Persian Sunset’ that will be repeat bloomers (if any), although you may still find some non remontant seedlings with good blotches. K206 should give some good blotches that you’ll be able to play with further. Best wishes with these!