I have a cross of Monsieur Tillier X Lady Hillingdon which bloomed a couple of weeks ago. It was very orange, maybe a little more orange than Joycie and it held its color but was indoors. Will have to wait to see what happens outside if it survives. Might be interesting to cross it with R. wichuraiana and see what happens. I find Lady Hillingdon fades some in the intense heat but not as much as some of the other yellow teas.
Patrick
âMonsieur Tillier X Lady Hillingdonâ
Ooh! Sounds like a good one. I wonder if it mildews?
Oh thanks Robert, now you have put a jinx on it. LOL
Patrick
Not to be a downer or anything but the question is more likely to be âHow much does it mildew?â You didnât say anything about petal count or scentâŚand what about a photo? This sounds very intriguing.
Kim, that almost makes me want to put âGrey Pearlâ pollen on 0-47-19âŚalmost!
Sorry Paul the photo will have to wait til next bloom. The petal count was less than I would have liked, more like Lady Hillingdon maybe 10. I did not detect any scent but IâM almost certain it will have some tea scent and the flower size was smaller than I would have liked also. May have to try this again this year. I did not expect such a deep orange out of the teas.
Patrick
Patrick,
Donât underestimate âMons. Tillierâ! I have had near reds from it and a wide range of oranges and peaches. I would also expect its petal count to increase quite a bit with age. My impression is that Tea seedlings tend to start out with few petals and gain many more with maturity. Whatever you do, donât toss it out till its had a chance to mature!
Whatever I grow as âMons. Tillierâ has not mildewed here as yet for me. It sets nice hips but I canât get the seed to germinate.
âLady Hillingdonâ did mildew but not as much as some.
There is hope.
Thanks Paul, I am trying to keep it alive. It will make it I think. I transplanted it and kind of slowed it down a little. Robert this is the only seed which germinated and I had quite a few. Neither parent mildewed here for me as far as I noticed. That would be nice to have an orange tea, there are not too many of those.
There is already an F1 wichuranana hybrid with Mons. Tillier, Paul Noel, which is suppose to have yellow shading to it.
Patrick
âKim, that almost makes me want to put âGrey Pearlâ pollen on 0-47-19âŚalmost!â
Did it! Lost it.
Iâve got âGrey Pearlâ out there right now with big OP hips.
You know, Robert I once got a seedling from Grey Pearl that looked a lot like a full sized Glowing Amber; the same red top and yellow reverse, but a much larger bloom. Go figger.
Chance seedling Paul? Was GP pollen or seed parent?
A red/yellow bicolor is not surprising from Grey Pearl, Paul. LeGrice gave the ârecipeâ for gray in Rose Growing Complete in the chapter on Unusual Colors. One of the foundation requirements is red/yellow bicolor. Gray/lavender/blue is strongly out of Foetida. Wish I could get to the book right now to give you the quote, but theyâre all packed.
Yup, which is why I plan on using Over the Moon next year with some of my mauves. Jude the Obscure did an âokayâ job on filtering out the purple-red and hot pink while enhancing the mauve tones of Purple Heart.
Oi-- that sounds like an interesting cross, Robert. Is that rootstock floppy? I just have a hard time imagining its trunk being thick enough to hold up a rose.
I think what could be good as a rootstock⌠my livinâ easy X robusta seedling.
The roots looks like a jelly fish⌠Very fibrous, very extensive. And it roots very easily tooâŚ
Enrique, the hybrid was very floppy but as you can see, as a rootstock itâs now probably close to 1 1/2" in diameter. Rugelda X R15 was enormous before I removed it.
Itâs plenty strong at this point. I always try to bury the bud union, especially if I am putting things in the ground regardless.
Robert,
That red and yellow bicolor was the result of a cross of a yellow orange mini named âPenny Anteâ X âGrey Pearlâ
See URL for seed parent info.
LeGrice gave the ârecipeâ for gray in Rose Growing Complete in the chapter on Unusual Colors.
Thanks for mentioning this, Kim.
Karl King and Paul B. have this treatise posted on their websites. Legrice gives some partial lineages for some mauves and browns but it is quite instructive to look through those lineages more completely at HMF.
Paul, âPenny Anteâ, has wonderful color and form.
Do you think itâs a selfed seedling of âPoker Chipâ?
Reminds me a bit of Jimâs, âSam Trivittâ, with a little richer color.