Realized oldest one tangled up in Mannings Blush … this photo does a better justice to Dening’s “Jamie” find of an OP of Therese Bugnet. Fence 3 ft, rose is 2 feet or half way to a Lotusland 4 footer.
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Thanks for the information guys!
This year I didn’t purchase any spins or hybrids from them. I used pollen from Williams Double yellow two seasons ago (at least I think it was Williams not Harrison’s) because it still grows on homesteads by where we lived and I could get pollen. This year I got some pollen from Kakwa at a garden. I also got pollen from an unlabeled shrub by it that I think was a spin hybrid. I’ll make plans this winter for next season, and I will consider adding some of those listed for breeding.
Not sure what disease issues will be here. Look forward to learning.
Not sure why this Martin Frobisher seedling has shown no disease, even though seedlings all around it have. Perhaps it just isn’t the strain of black spot it will succumb to.
Speaking of which: is there a way we can find out what black spot we are dealing with, so we can understand more for judging our seedlings, and even for breeding plants?
Thanks again!
Duane
Hi Duane
There was a discussion about black spot variants and testing a couple of months back l think by David Ze … (hopeless at spelling)- don’t recall enough to answer your question which reads like can you find which one. If you search his post might find a lead.
Btw, might be interested in photo of the oldest OP Therese Bugnet “Jamie” opening today … love the “HT” like opening act … hardy but not super hardy category.
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Beautiful rose! I wonder what the pollen parent was to get that bloom.
I’m very curious to see what type of cold hardiness this seedling has. I want to try several cuttings to have a backup, but hips are forming on the branches, so it will have to wait.
Duane
Re blackspot variants, maybe this was the thread
… that’s the one l was thinking of, read like some good research …
One more of Jamie’s bloom progression that re-enforces to me not to forget to consider building on the past to move forward and improve the rose … and to me was basically created by natural randomness with right factors all in play at once
… todays morning bloom, slightly fragrant in morning, last stage it it “mounds” up and then is spent. About 3 days of buildup interest in my garden … glad l stumbled upon short Jamie for my garden before nursery went wholesale … and thats it. Other than sharing hardiness, some color tones and slight fragrance and short life, completely different bloom form … and to me where most of the “cash is” for some once you get past winter … and short for my garden.
Though HMF lists States source.
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Last photo point making. This is peak, max at 1:30 pm full sun today … now going “mauve”, fortunately more blooms and bushes to follow … need to collect this pollen this year and see if it will freeze - too busy with rock hardy climber pursuit to cross.
Duane if you would like pollen l can send when your moved in, if ok - or next year as hardy. Maybe cross with your MF-TB seedling for a try at different color tone.
And it might add some contribution of the other “different rose” genes that made Jamie bloom form. Doubt Jamie “would wiin at shows”, but super garden value for me, my up front shortie, whose hardy and “different”. And l think rare now.
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Pollen would be great. Thanks!
I’ve been thinking about what Joe said about blooms lasting.
This seedling is hard to judge, as it opens slowly. It is, of course, a bud for a while. It takes three or four days to open, although that is hard to tell sometimes because it stays fairly deeply cupped. When fully open it lasts a couple of days. So it may be just under a week from bud starting to open till petals fall.
Fortunately the fragrance lasts the whole time.
It has hips on now, so all blooms done for the time being. I’m curious to see if it will throw a few blooms later even with hips on.
Duane
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Okay, when close to send will private message for address to mail to.
Just notice today Jamie’s leaf tips are “obtuse” compared to the more acute tips on my Thereses. Other than that l have not spent much time noting bush characteristics other than its growing characteristics, height, bloom, stems/branching colouring and overall rugosa appearance.
To Mntlover:
This is a lovely rose. I too am much drawn to the OGRs.
Breed what you love and want to see in your garden. This is part of the art of rose breeding, and if you love it, chances are that others will too. Maybe not all rose growers, mass market style, but many people have an aesthetic different from what urban-small plotted-container gardening-tight spaces- modern spirit-big bang for the buck buyers are choosing. Not that there is anything wrong with breeding for that gardener, but there are others out there. I am one of them.
How is this rose performing now, a few years later?
-D. Christopher McMullins
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This rose has been doing really well! I have done nothing with it, except to try pollen on it here and there. Its hips drop, almost always. I have had a couple of seeds from it that germinated, but nothing of note so far. Working more with its pollen.
It has grown to between 5 and 6 foot, as I have never pruned it back. I’m wondering if careful (gentle) pruning after blooming could keep it a bit shorter and bushier.
It repeats its bloom better than any rugosa hybrids I have grown: very pleased with it.
I have provided propagation material to High Country Roses, so should be available in a couple of seasons.
I will be curious to find just how cold hardy it is. I have never had dieback from winter here. But we don’t get nearly as cold as some of you do.
I also sent propagation material from a couple of roses that should be good for zone 4.
The others I introduced I listed as a zone 5. I will be curious to see how they do in zone 4 grown by
someone with a lot of experience in giving protection.
Duane
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If the suspected pollen candidate Therese Bugnet is the one, then I would expect this rose to be hardy to at least zone 3a. I have experience with both Martin Frobisher and TB and both are quite solid in my zone 3a.
How do the petals hold up in wet weather? My experience with MF is that the blooms tended to hang on the plant when spent.
What other selections have you commercially released? I have a rose (recently shown here on the forum) that I am considering releasing. I think I will evaluate mine a couple of more years before deciding what to do.
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We are on the dry side of the mountains, so most precipitation is snow in winter. Sometimes rain in fall. I overhead water the garden, trying to create issues, so as to test to some degree. The petals do shed off the bloom, although tend to linger a bit longer than I would prefer. It would probably benefit from deadheading anyway, as it should speed up the repeat bloom a bit. Hips do fall off, but take some time before doing so. So best bloom would come from deadheading.
Overall I have been really impressed with this rose here in our garden. I would certainly recommend it for colder climates, however cold it can go before too much dieback. Good repeat with good fragrance is hard to come by in colder zones.
Last year I had Love’s Light and Love’s Blush introduced. Next season will be Romantic Love, Sweet Love, and Lovely Lady.
The next season should be some of the roses for a bit more cold (hopefully handling zone 4 well). Some fragrance with very good repeat. Variety of color.
Love’s Confusion, Mazama Morning, and Blush Rugosa (or Holly’s Blush Rugosa).
Also Serene Love, which might not be quite as cold hardy. But fragrance is good, as is repeat.
Duane
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Well I checked out High Country for you “Love” series, and they are quite lovely. I really like the blush toned blooms. Very Alba like. Have you found them to be fertile? I imagine they are tetraploids?
I am testing them as seed parents. Set hips. Some germination. Not a lot of seedlings number wise because of the that. Some decent seedlings, time will tell. I have focused more on their pollen, some decent plants in testing at this point.
I am hoping they will do a bit better with germination as they are more mature, but they might not. Pollen seems viable enough. Finding matches that work is more of a challenge, but that is somewhat because of the crosses I am trying. Perhaps it would be easier with other crosses.
A positive is that they seem to pass on fragrance well.
Duane